I dislike facebook's wall format. The impermanence of the conversations bothers me. I just had a fairly lengthy argument with someone I've never met (a friend of a friend facebook style) about firearms, and given enough posts, it will be scrolled down into oblivion. I know, once something is released into the interwebs it's pretty much there forever, however, unless someone knows an easy way to retrieve all past facebook "conversations" - I'm listening if you want to fill me in - it's effectively lost to me.
Not that I'm really interested in saving the whole entire thing at this point anyway.
What started out as some fairly short, mostly innocuous, comments, bloomed into her very lengthy arguments that helped me realize we were coming from two very different positions, unlikely to ever reach common ground.
This last statement of hers is the clincher - and proof that I was right to not bother to take her prior very long argument point by point - she would never have understood.
"If you really believe the dangerously insane and violent criminal should have gun permits, then I don't see a point in continuing either."
And apparently I like to have the last word, so I added the following, as hopefully my last futile comment in that thread:
"Just to point out how far apart we are. I do not think the concept of a permit for a gun should exist. A permit takes gun ownership out of the realm of rights and puts it square into the realm of privilege - please mister government sir, can I please defend myself against those who would harm my family and myself?
If you harm another individual - with a gun, another tool, or even your bare hands, then you should be punished for that act. I think dangerously insane and violent criminals should already be dead (preferably at the gun wielding hands of their intended victims), or in jail already - where they can keep guns away from them all they like."
I don't care how reasonable the restrictions seem, they are restrictions in an area the government should have no say.
She also said this with regards to dealing with legal restrictions "If you're a law abiding citizen and can prove it, it's not very difficult." That is such a dangerous attitude to have. It's the slippery slope down which more and more freedoms are eroded.
Not that I'm really interested in saving the whole entire thing at this point anyway.
What started out as some fairly short, mostly innocuous, comments, bloomed into her very lengthy arguments that helped me realize we were coming from two very different positions, unlikely to ever reach common ground.
This last statement of hers is the clincher - and proof that I was right to not bother to take her prior very long argument point by point - she would never have understood.
"If you really believe the dangerously insane and violent criminal should have gun permits, then I don't see a point in continuing either."
And apparently I like to have the last word, so I added the following, as hopefully my last futile comment in that thread:
"Just to point out how far apart we are. I do not think the concept of a permit for a gun should exist. A permit takes gun ownership out of the realm of rights and puts it square into the realm of privilege - please mister government sir, can I please defend myself against those who would harm my family and myself?
If you harm another individual - with a gun, another tool, or even your bare hands, then you should be punished for that act. I think dangerously insane and violent criminals should already be dead (preferably at the gun wielding hands of their intended victims), or in jail already - where they can keep guns away from them all they like."
I don't care how reasonable the restrictions seem, they are restrictions in an area the government should have no say.
She also said this with regards to dealing with legal restrictions "If you're a law abiding citizen and can prove it, it's not very difficult." That is such a dangerous attitude to have. It's the slippery slope down which more and more freedoms are eroded.
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Date: 2011-01-16 03:59 pm (UTC)S--
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Date: 2011-01-16 07:41 pm (UTC)